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	<title>Comments on: ThreadsML reborn</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kingsley Idehen</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/06/threadsml-reborn#comment-246694</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingsley Idehen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

SIOC accomodates ThreasML in a natural way via the Discussion Data Space :-)

SIOC provides a nice vehicle for modeling data containers (Data Spaces) on the Web. At the end of the day, every container (Blog Space, Wiki Space, Bookmark Space, Photo Space) is a host of items, and each item can be of one or more types e.g Posts, Wikiwords, Bookmarks, Photos etc (basically the way we modelling everyting in the real world mentally).

FOAF not only covers our Social Networks, it also covers other "Objects of Sociality" via enable connectiion via the things we've made and exposed via the Web (e.g Blog Posts, Shared Bookmarks, Wikiwords, Photos etc..). 

The Bibliographic Ontology, add additional granulaity to Document modelling and when used in conjunction with RDFa, you end up with a real power in relation to describing what existing web pages are about in structured form.

As you can see, shared vocabularies / ontologies / schemas are gettting clearer now that "Linked Data" is providing a mechanism for demonstrating practical utility, which in of itself provides better demonstration of the larger Semantic Web vision.

Links:
1. http://bibliontology.com/ - Bibliographic Ontology

2. http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/presentations/DataPortability_and_DataSpaces/DataPortability_and_DataSpaces.html - Example of RDFa and Bibliographic Ontology in action  (*best seen via a Linked Data aware user agent such as the plugin below*)

3. http://virtuoso-images.s3.amazonaws.com/rdfb.xpi - a Firefox 2.x or 3.x plugin that exposes an new option to the Web Browsing in the form of a new "View &#124; Linked Data Sources"  main / context menu option to existing  "View &#124; Page Source" and "View &#124; Page Info"  options

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>SIOC accomodates ThreasML in a natural way via the Discussion Data Space <img src='http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>SIOC provides a nice vehicle for modeling data containers (Data Spaces) on the Web. At the end of the day, every container (Blog Space, Wiki Space, Bookmark Space, Photo Space) is a host of items, and each item can be of one or more types e.g Posts, Wikiwords, Bookmarks, Photos etc (basically the way we modelling everyting in the real world mentally).</p>
<p>FOAF not only covers our Social Networks, it also covers other &#8220;Objects of Sociality&#8221; via enable connectiion via the things we&#8217;ve made and exposed via the Web (e.g Blog Posts, Shared Bookmarks, Wikiwords, Photos etc..). </p>
<p>The Bibliographic Ontology, add additional granulaity to Document modelling and when used in conjunction with RDFa, you end up with a real power in relation to describing what existing web pages are about in structured form.</p>
<p>As you can see, shared vocabularies / ontologies / schemas are gettting clearer now that &#8220;Linked Data&#8221; is providing a mechanism for demonstrating practical utility, which in of itself provides better demonstration of the larger Semantic Web vision.</p>
<p>Links:<br />
1. <a href="http://bibliontology.com/" rel="nofollow">http://bibliontology.com/</a> - Bibliographic Ontology</p>
<p>2. <a href="http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/presentations/DataPortability_and_DataSpaces/DataPortability_and_DataSpaces.html" rel="nofollow">http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/presentations/DataPortability_and_DataSpaces/DataPortability_and_DataSpaces.html</a> - Example of RDFa and Bibliographic Ontology in action  (*best seen via a Linked Data aware user agent such as the plugin below*)</p>
<p>3. <a href="http://virtuoso-images.s3.amazonaws.com/rdfb.xpi" rel="nofollow">http://virtuoso-images.s3.amazonaws.com/rdfb.xpi</a> - a Firefox 2.x or 3.x plugin that exposes an new option to the Web Browsing in the form of a new &#8220;View | Linked Data Sources&#8221;  main / context menu option to existing  &#8220;View | Page Source&#8221; and &#8220;View | Page Info&#8221;  options</p>
<p>Kingsley Idehen</p>
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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging on June 27th - '08</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/06/threadsml-reborn#comment-246663</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging on June 27th - '08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Turns out SIOC is very similar to ThreadsML [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nodalities &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This Week&#8217;s Semantic Web</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/06/threadsml-reborn#comment-246636</link>
		<dc:creator>Nodalities &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This Week&#8217;s Semantic Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ThreadsML reborn [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kingsley Idehen</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/06/threadsml-reborn#comment-246635</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingsley Idehen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All, 

Yes, SIOC does cater for Threaded Discussion exposed as a Linked Data Graph (as noted by Dan already). Basically, there is work underway to bring IBIS [1] and other Discourse oriented efforts into the Web (naturally as Linked Data).

The neat thing here is that ThreadML and all of these efforts can co-exist, the transformation from ThreadML to a Linked Data oriented Discourse Space is very low cost.

Thus, whether we call it ThreadML, Discourse Web, DebateGraph etc.. Let's make Discourse Discovery and Participation on the Web much easier than it is today.

The Blogosphere, Wikisphere, Picturescape, Boardscape etc. have always been about huge discussion spaces in my eyes :-) Of course,   SPAM impeded the initial bootstrap, so any rival has to demonstrate robust machine level handling of the SPAM challenge.

Links:

1. http://hyperdata.org/xmlns/ibis/index.htm

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All, </p>
<p>Yes, SIOC does cater for Threaded Discussion exposed as a Linked Data Graph (as noted by Dan already). Basically, there is work underway to bring IBIS [1] and other Discourse oriented efforts into the Web (naturally as Linked Data).</p>
<p>The neat thing here is that ThreadML and all of these efforts can co-exist, the transformation from ThreadML to a Linked Data oriented Discourse Space is very low cost.</p>
<p>Thus, whether we call it ThreadML, Discourse Web, DebateGraph etc.. Let&#8217;s make Discourse Discovery and Participation on the Web much easier than it is today.</p>
<p>The Blogosphere, Wikisphere, Picturescape, Boardscape etc. have always been about huge discussion spaces in my eyes <img src='http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Of course,   SPAM impeded the initial bootstrap, so any rival has to demonstrate robust machine level handling of the SPAM challenge.</p>
<p>Links:</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://hyperdata.org/xmlns/ibis/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://hyperdata.org/xmlns/ibis/index.htm</a></p>
<p>Kingsley</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Brickley</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/06/threadsml-reborn#comment-246627</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Brickley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SIOC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIOC) seems the closest thing around to an implementation of the Threads-ML ideas. Maybe it would be worth a detailed check-list comparison of SIOC vs the goals for threads-ml, to see what is still todo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SIOC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIOC) seems the closest thing around to an implementation of the Threads-ML ideas. Maybe it would be worth a detailed check-list comparison of SIOC vs the goals for threads-ml, to see what is still todo?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/06/threadsml-reborn#comment-246626</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An idea who's time has finally come?

In the interim, a lot of related ground has been covered by SIOC, and there's some interesting stuff happening around debategraph:

http://sioc-project.org/
http://www.debategraph.org/

Unfortunately Trackback seems to have fallen by the wayside, but I guess we've now got Twitter...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An idea who&#8217;s time has finally come?</p>
<p>In the interim, a lot of related ground has been covered by SIOC, and there&#8217;s some interesting stuff happening around debategraph:</p>
<p><a href="http://sioc-project.org/" rel="nofollow">http://sioc-project.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.debategraph.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.debategraph.org/</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately Trackback seems to have fallen by the wayside, but I guess we&#8217;ve now got Twitter&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging on June 22nd, 2008</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/06/threadsml-reborn#comment-246623</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging on June 22nd, 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#171; ThreadsML reborn [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Recordon</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/06/threadsml-reborn#comment-246622</link>
		<dc:creator>David Recordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's the state of ThreadsML?  I'm having a hard time finding a concise wiki page, spec, blog post, etc explaining the in depth technical side of how it worked and how you might implement it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the state of ThreadsML?  I&#8217;m having a hard time finding a concise wiki page, spec, blog post, etc explaining the in depth technical side of how it worked and how you might implement it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Lebkowsky</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/06/threadsml-reborn#comment-246621</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Lebkowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Marc, great to see this post! I've wondered from time to time how we lost track of the threadsml discussion.  I agree that the question now is, who'll pick it up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Marc, great to see this post! I&#8217;ve wondered from time to time how we lost track of the threadsml discussion.  I agree that the question now is, who&#8217;ll pick it up?</p>
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		<title>By: Social Web Strategies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ThreadsML</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/06/threadsml-reborn#comment-246620</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Web Strategies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ThreadsML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Canter has revived an idea a bunch of us were talking about five years ago in a conversation instigated by David [...]</description>
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