Comments on: Distributed Arbitrage http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage Digital Lifestyle Aggregation - helping to establish open source infrastructure Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:59:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Tessuto Large Handbag Black http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-246067 Tessuto Large Handbag Black Thu, 15 May 2008 17:15:30 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-246067 <strong>Tessuto Large Handbag Black...</strong> I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you.... Tessuto Large Handbag Black…

I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you….

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By: Marc’s Voice » Blog Archive » My Words are my Sword http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245882 Marc’s Voice » Blog Archive » My Words are my Sword Tue, 06 May 2008 18:55:05 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245882 [...] « Distributed Arbitrage [...] [...] « Distributed Arbitrage [...]

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By: Daniel Heise http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245875 Daniel Heise Tue, 06 May 2008 14:07:44 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245875 Funny comparison, but so of the mark. If you read just a little a bit of what he writes you´d know. I think this is just you trying to grab a little of his audience, you probably will get some attention, for a day or two. Funny comparison, but so of the mark. If you read just a little a bit of what he writes you´d know. I think this is just you trying to grab a little of his audience, you probably will get some attention, for a day or two.

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By: TruePath http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245861 TruePath Tue, 06 May 2008 07:23:18 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245861 Ahh yes, this is the same kind of intuitive, emotionally appealing and dead wrong sort of thinking that leads to calls to eliminate the gas tax, prohibitions on charging interest, or the idea that we should refuse to buy products produced by foreign laborers who don't make a certain minimal wage (not the same as sweat shops). What these fallacies all share in common is the fact that it's easy to point to the person who is 'hurt' by the supposedly bad action while it is much harder to point to who is helped. For instance consider interest. The reason islam and medeival christianity banned it's collection is that it's easy to see the small guy who is paying interest to the rich merchant/bank as sympathetic while there is no obvious person you can point to as being hurt by barring the charging of interest. However, if you ban interest people stop offering loans which inhibits innovation, but this consideration just doesn't have the emotional pull since you can't point to particular innovations and enterprises that failed to happen. Similarly, workers who are paid low wages by factories are easy to point to but it's hard to identify the particular poor farmers who would be slightly better off if increased demand let them work in a factory. Making money off of predicting a companies failure is a similar sort of situation where the people who are hurt are easy to see and trigger our sympathy while the people who are helped are diffuse and hard to concretely identify. Ultimately the value of the financial markets is in directing societal resources toward useful, cost-effective projects. When money is wastefully invested in companies like e-useless-widgets.com as it was during the dot.com boom people lose money and we are all made worse off. Not only do the VCs or shareholders lose money in such circumstances but the entire society suffers because we lose out on the useful products the employees of e-useless-widgets.com could have created with their time. The dot com bust was a dramatic example of this, because of the massive waste of resources on useless projects the whole economy suffered. Thus it's to society's benefit for the market to accurately reflect expectations of a company's future success. If companies are undervalued they don't get access to sufficient capital to create useful products, if they are overvalued we end up wasting resources that could have been used better elsewhere <b>Selling shares short or buying puts helps adjust down the price of overvalued companies so the money can be used somewhere else more efficiently</b>. Without this mechanism there is no effective way for the market to integrate the expertise of people who realize that a company/business method is undervalued. Ultimately I find that the best way to avoid most of these economic confusions is not to think too much about money. Money is merely a gloss that confuses the issue. Once you think about the market as a way of deciding which projects we want to spend time and resources on it becomes obvious that it's just as important to avoid wasting resources on less efficient companies as it is to recognize undervalued ones. Ahh yes, this is the same kind of intuitive, emotionally appealing and dead wrong sort of thinking that leads to calls to eliminate the gas tax, prohibitions on charging interest, or the idea that we should refuse to buy products produced by foreign laborers who don’t make a certain minimal wage (not the same as sweat shops). What these fallacies all share in common is the fact that it’s easy to point to the person who is ‘hurt’ by the supposedly bad action while it is much harder to point to who is helped.

For instance consider interest. The reason islam and medeival christianity banned it’s collection is that it’s easy to see the small guy who is paying interest to the rich merchant/bank as sympathetic while there is no obvious person you can point to as being hurt by barring the charging of interest. However, if you ban interest people stop offering loans which inhibits innovation, but this consideration just doesn’t have the emotional pull since you can’t point to particular innovations and enterprises that failed to happen. Similarly, workers who are paid low wages by factories are easy to point to but it’s hard to identify the particular poor farmers who would be slightly better off if increased demand let them work in a factory. Making money off of predicting a companies failure is a similar sort of situation where the people who are hurt are easy to see and trigger our sympathy while the people who are helped are diffuse and hard to concretely identify.

Ultimately the value of the financial markets is in directing societal resources toward useful, cost-effective projects. When money is wastefully invested in companies like e-useless-widgets.com as it was during the dot.com boom people lose money and we are all made worse off. Not only do the VCs or shareholders lose money in such circumstances but the entire society suffers because we lose out on the useful products the employees of e-useless-widgets.com could have created with their time. The dot com bust was a dramatic example of this, because of the massive waste of resources on useless projects the whole economy suffered.

Thus it’s to society’s benefit for the market to accurately reflect expectations of a company’s future success. If companies are undervalued they don’t get access to sufficient capital to create useful products, if they are overvalued we end up wasting resources that could have been used better elsewhere Selling shares short or buying puts helps adjust down the price of overvalued companies so the money can be used somewhere else more efficiently. Without this mechanism there is no effective way for the market to integrate the expertise of people who realize that a company/business method is undervalued.

Ultimately I find that the best way to avoid most of these economic confusions is not to think too much about money. Money is merely a gloss that confuses the issue. Once you think about the market as a way of deciding which projects we want to spend time and resources on it becomes obvious that it’s just as important to avoid wasting resources on less efficient companies as it is to recognize undervalued ones.

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By: Sacca http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245856 Sacca Tue, 06 May 2008 02:02:25 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245856 Marc, this seems really of the mark. If you pay any attention to Fred or know him at all, you know he loves data porn. Anytime he can gather data or measure something, he does. I actually think he is notable for the lengths to which he goes to publish and share his findings with the blogosphere at large. If you have been reading his blog, he has been very loud and clear in his opposition to the MSFT/YHOO deal and, I believe, was taking into account the best interests of YHOO and its employees. All told, I am not sure from where this vitriol comes. Maybe you could write a follow-up with more of your thinking. I am interested. Marc, this seems really of the mark. If you pay any attention to Fred or know him at all, you know he loves data porn. Anytime he can gather data or measure something, he does. I actually think he is notable for the lengths to which he goes to publish and share his findings with the blogosphere at large.

If you have been reading his blog, he has been very loud and clear in his opposition to the MSFT/YHOO deal and, I believe, was taking into account the best interests of YHOO and its employees.

All told, I am not sure from where this vitriol comes. Maybe you could write a follow-up with more of your thinking. I am interested.

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By: Timothy Sykes http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245855 Timothy Sykes Tue, 06 May 2008 01:34:34 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245855 still amazes me at how dumb the world is when it comes to wall street. Fred is one of the good guys, i'm a short seller, i bet on fraud, corruption and failure, u wanna have a dumb greed is good post, aim it at me! still amazes me at how dumb the world is when it comes to wall street. Fred is one of the good guys, i’m a short seller, i bet on fraud, corruption and failure, u wanna have a dumb greed is good post, aim it at me!

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By: fred wilson http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245852 fred wilson Tue, 06 May 2008 00:02:22 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/05/distributed-arbitrage#comment-245852 gordon gekko: "greed is good" i don't really subscribe to that theory marc. and i didn't do the poll thinking i'd buy the stock on the basis of the poll. i did it because i thought it would be interesting. it was to me. but i do feel YHOO is undervalued and i figured the stock would test the $20 level early in the morning it didn't and so i never bought the stock today that's too bad fred gordon gekko: “greed is good”

i don’t really subscribe to that theory marc.

and i didn’t do the poll thinking i’d buy the stock on the basis of the poll. i did it because i thought it would be interesting. it was to me.

but i do feel YHOO is undervalued and i figured the stock would test the $20 level early in the morning

it didn’t and so i never bought the stock today

that’s too bad

fred

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