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	<title>Comments on: Response to Jean Hughes Robert on his comment about Ning</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 09:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One sided blogosphere conversations</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/04/response-to-jean-hughes-robert-on-his-comment-about-ning#comment-245577</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; One sided blogosphere conversations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So I tried to publicly engage someone from Ning on the issues surrounding their promotion of their # of overall networks - but lack of details on what those #&#8217;s really represent. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Melillo</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/04/response-to-jean-hughes-robert-on-his-comment-about-ning#comment-245493</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Melillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where would the world be without unrepentant criticism? Nice work!

Companies that have the luxury of big investors don't live by the rules of the market. Like Marc says, it makes it very difficult for those of us who want to build long-term value and sustainable revenues on the web. In turn, the web becomes a playground for VCs and corporations. Those influences prevent open standards from taking hold and hence we don't evolve as fast as our species can...

If you haven't watched this, it is right to your point, although from a different angle:
http://omnisio.com/startupschool08/david-heinemeier-hansson-at-startup-school-08

Free is dead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where would the world be without unrepentant criticism? Nice work!</p>
<p>Companies that have the luxury of big investors don&#8217;t live by the rules of the market. Like Marc says, it makes it very difficult for those of us who want to build long-term value and sustainable revenues on the web. In turn, the web becomes a playground for VCs and corporations. Those influences prevent open standards from taking hold and hence we don&#8217;t evolve as fast as our species can&#8230;</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t watched this, it is right to your point, although from a different angle:<br />
<a href="http://omnisio.com/startupschool08/david-heinemeier-hansson-at-startup-school-08" rel="nofollow">http://omnisio.com/startupschool08/david-heinemeier-hansson-at-startup-school-08</a></p>
<p>Free is dead!</p>
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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; And so we begin a discourse and discussion on Ning with the top Ningster PR person</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; And so we begin a discourse and discussion on Ning with the top Ningster PR person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sequence of 3 posts on Ning got the expected response from person I was hoping would &#8216;reach out&#8217; to me. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Gardiner</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/04/response-to-jean-hughes-robert-on-his-comment-about-ning#comment-245437</link>
		<dc:creator>James Gardiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to back up Marc in many areas.

To tell the truth, I cannot wait for the nuclear winter to hit the US VC market.

I have worked in Internet for years, longer then most. (When I first entered uni was the year the ARRNET , the very first connection to the military run internet happened..

My business partners and I have had many good ideas over the years.  But we have been hampered by the fact that, over here in Australia, any good idea has to be making money from the start or within a very short time.  Ever since the US has build a Web market based on hype and exit strategy, it simply is not worth putting an idea on the web.  It will simply be copied over night by one of hundreds of companies in  CA with piles of VC money to keep them going with free services to wipe out any competition.

How often do we see TechCrunch report on how a new Web-Startup is changing its direction "again".  Ie, the ideas not working (Generating enough hype) so looks around for an idea they can copy.  They have a better chance then the originator as the originator is probably a real business man and has real business constraints.   (ie does not have VCs giving them all the money they want..  On a hope it will become hype, get huge interest.  Exit with a lot of money..)

This may not be a bubble. Its not going to burst.  There is going to be some kind of correction, and its not going to be pretty.

Take Ning for example.  It is simply a Hype based company that serves up a lot of web pages.
I find it difficult to believe companies that give away free services just so you look at web pages that can have a little ad in the corner can be worth so much.
Look at TV and DVR, skipping commercials.  It's a completely devastated industry struggling with the fact people don't watch commercials if given the tools.   Gee, we have the tools to rip out online Ads too. (scary stuff for companies like Ning.  Strange the media industry takes little notice of this.  They do have an interest in hyping up the companies So....  Gee its not in there interest.)..  This is a little unfair as online can better target ads and understand that ads should not annoy.  (Annoying ads do better.  Main reason why many Ads on TV are annoying.  Easy and cheap to make.)
Still, Ning has the right marketing team and is in the right part of the world to generate Hype and raise money..  And the founders know enough about when to bail before it all turns to shit..  And can you blame them..  Its just business.  Just not a very moralistic one.
Thats Web2.0 for you.

Cannot wait till its over and real business models based on making money come back into style.  I simply cannot stomach the current trend.
James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to back up Marc in many areas.</p>
<p>To tell the truth, I cannot wait for the nuclear winter to hit the US VC market.</p>
<p>I have worked in Internet for years, longer then most. (When I first entered uni was the year the ARRNET , the very first connection to the military run internet happened..</p>
<p>My business partners and I have had many good ideas over the years.  But we have been hampered by the fact that, over here in Australia, any good idea has to be making money from the start or within a very short time.  Ever since the US has build a Web market based on hype and exit strategy, it simply is not worth putting an idea on the web.  It will simply be copied over night by one of hundreds of companies in  CA with piles of VC money to keep them going with free services to wipe out any competition.</p>
<p>How often do we see TechCrunch report on how a new Web-Startup is changing its direction &#8220;again&#8221;.  Ie, the ideas not working (Generating enough hype) so looks around for an idea they can copy.  They have a better chance then the originator as the originator is probably a real business man and has real business constraints.   (ie does not have VCs giving them all the money they want..  On a hope it will become hype, get huge interest.  Exit with a lot of money..)</p>
<p>This may not be a bubble. Its not going to burst.  There is going to be some kind of correction, and its not going to be pretty.</p>
<p>Take Ning for example.  It is simply a Hype based company that serves up a lot of web pages.<br />
I find it difficult to believe companies that give away free services just so you look at web pages that can have a little ad in the corner can be worth so much.<br />
Look at TV and DVR, skipping commercials.  It&#8217;s a completely devastated industry struggling with the fact people don&#8217;t watch commercials if given the tools.   Gee, we have the tools to rip out online Ads too. (scary stuff for companies like Ning.  Strange the media industry takes little notice of this.  They do have an interest in hyping up the companies So&#8230;.  Gee its not in there interest.)..  This is a little unfair as online can better target ads and understand that ads should not annoy.  (Annoying ads do better.  Main reason why many Ads on TV are annoying.  Easy and cheap to make.)<br />
Still, Ning has the right marketing team and is in the right part of the world to generate Hype and raise money..  And the founders know enough about when to bail before it all turns to shit..  And can you blame them..  Its just business.  Just not a very moralistic one.<br />
Thats Web2.0 for you.</p>
<p>Cannot wait till its over and real business models based on making money come back into style.  I simply cannot stomach the current trend.<br />
James</p>
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		<title>By: Hashim Warren</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/04/response-to-jean-hughes-robert-on-his-comment-about-ning#comment-245435</link>
		<dc:creator>Hashim Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ning reminds me of Blogger. And Blogger changed the world, without ever making any money.</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/04/response-to-jean-hughes-robert-on-his-comment-about-ning#comment-245430</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Marc, the lack of depth in your knowledge on this post is staggering.  First off, it's Opsware, not OpsWare.  Second, Opsware was sold for $1.6 billion, not the figure you stated. And, thirdly, Opsware grew revenue from $18 millioin to $110 million in a short 4 years.. This is a multibillion dollar market that is now starting to grow rapidly.  Look at HP, IBM, EMC, BMC.  That is the space. It's automation of servers, that absolutely has to happen.  If you follow Marc A and Ben H from Opsware, over the last three firms they have been together on, you would understand..

Thomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Marc, the lack of depth in your knowledge on this post is staggering.  First off, it&#8217;s Opsware, not OpsWare.  Second, Opsware was sold for $1.6 billion, not the figure you stated. And, thirdly, Opsware grew revenue from $18 millioin to $110 million in a short 4 years.. This is a multibillion dollar market that is now starting to grow rapidly.  Look at HP, IBM, EMC, BMC.  That is the space. It&#8217;s automation of servers, that absolutely has to happen.  If you follow Marc A and Ben H from Opsware, over the last three firms they have been together on, you would understand..</p>
<p>Thomas</p>
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		<title>By: STARTUP CHATTER &#187; DEAL TRACKER &#187; Bootstrap Startups Unite: 3 Cheers for Marc Canter!</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2008/04/response-to-jean-hughes-robert-on-his-comment-about-ning#comment-245427</link>
		<dc:creator>STARTUP CHATTER &#187; DEAL TRACKER &#187; Bootstrap Startups Unite: 3 Cheers for Marc Canter!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Canter also points out the unseemly hypocrisy of a purported open blogosphere that gleefully lobs the dreaded “negativity” label on any independent thinker that has the [...]</description>
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