Comments on: Open Letter to Marc Andressen, Gina Bianchini and Diego Doval http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval Digital Lifestyle Aggregation - helping to establish open source infrastructure Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:19:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Cogblog » Blog Archive » Why there aren’t open social networks http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-242067 Cogblog » Blog Archive » Why there aren’t open social networks Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:08:37 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-242067 [...] saw some posts on open standards for social networking sites and I guess I have to throw my two cents out here.  Determining where to invest in these [...] […] saw some posts on open standards for social networking sites and I guess I have to throw my two cents out here.  Determining where to invest in these […]

]]> By: Open Source Social Networking & a little bit of history « Webstuff 2 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-242064 Open Source Social Networking & a little bit of history « Webstuff 2 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:03:29 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-242064 [...] to the funding article, and some recent successes they had enjoyed. Another well known innovator, Marc Canter, the founder of a little company named Micromedia, also read of Ning’s new funding and [...] […] to the funding article, and some recent successes they had enjoyed. Another well known innovator, Marc Canter, the founder of a little company named Micromedia, also read of Ning’s new funding and […]

]]> By: rexblog.com: Rex Hammock’s weblog » Blog Archive » Jason decides Facebook is not the golden fleece http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-242062 rexblog.com: Rex Hammock’s weblog » Blog Archive » Jason decides Facebook is not the golden fleece Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:11:51 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-242062 [...] in my post, I mentioned Ning and PeopleAggregator, I’ve received some email pointing me to Marc Canter’s post that provides some information about the need for interoperability of social networks. And that on [...] […] in my post, I mentioned Ning and PeopleAggregator, I’ve received some email pointing me to Marc Canter’s post that provides some information about the need for interoperability of social networks. And that on […]

]]> By: links for 2007-07-20 | innonate http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-242027 links for 2007-07-20 | innonate Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:31:37 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-242027 [...] Marc’s Voice » Blog Archive » Open Letter to Marc Andressen, Gina Bianchini and Diego Doval “I’d like to make a proposal which would ‘open up’ Ning more and create a vibrant environment where not only individuals, but also ENTIRE networks could “own their data” and freely move between systems. This should come as no surprise to you as (tags: openid ning networking social identity) [...] […] Marc’s Voice » Blog Archive » Open Letter to Marc Andressen, Gina Bianchini and Diego Doval “I’d like to make a proposal which would ‘open up’ Ning more and create a vibrant environment where not only individuals, but also ENTIRE networks could “own their data” and freely move between systems. This should come as no surprise to you as (tags: openid ning networking social identity) […]

]]> By: SeanBohan.com » Blog Archive » Social Network Dev Camp - i wanna go http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241992 SeanBohan.com » Blog Archive » Social Network Dev Camp - i wanna go Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:49:53 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241992 [...] http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-do... [...] […] http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-do… […]

]]> By: Diego Doval http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241977 Diego Doval Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:04:05 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241977 Hello Marc, is there any reason why you haven't yet approved my previous comment? Other commenters have been approved and I think that my comments would have been useful in that context. Thanks! Hello Marc, is there any reason why you haven’t yet approved my previous comment? Other commenters have been approved and I think that my comments would have been useful in that context.

Thanks!

]]> By: dr chadblog http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241974 dr chadblog Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:19:28 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241974 Heres betting that venture-funded SN companies won't open up their platforms unless its in ways that try to capture user data. I just don't see how they can afford to not try and create roach hotels. Because truly open standards makes it pretty hard to justify the valuations. Heres betting that venture-funded SN companies won’t open up their platforms unless its in ways that try to capture user data. I just don’t see how they can afford to not try and create roach hotels. Because truly open standards makes it pretty hard to justify the valuations.

]]> By: Bill Fitzgerald http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241973 Bill Fitzgerald Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:50:13 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241973 Hello, Marc, While I agree that it would be *great* to see Ning do the right thing, they will only do the "right thing" if it aligns with their business plan -- the open standards you describe (like OpenID 2.0's attribute exchange) will become increasingly important in how people use the web, and companies that don't use them will become increasingly irrelevant. As innovation within open source communities fuel the type of data portability/identity portability many of us have described (along with functions currently absent in Ning, etc,) the real question investors will be asking is, what have I bought for my 44 Mill? Cheers, Bill Hello, Marc,

While I agree that it would be *great* to see Ning do the right thing, they will only do the “right thing” if it aligns with their business plan — the open standards you describe (like OpenID 2.0’s attribute exchange) will become increasingly important in how people use the web, and companies that don’t use them will become increasingly irrelevant.

As innovation within open source communities fuel the type of data portability/identity portability many of us have described (along with functions currently absent in Ning, etc,) the real question investors will be asking is, what have I bought for my 44 Mill?

Cheers,

Bill

]]> By: Diego Doval http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241971 Diego Doval Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:37:01 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241971 Hi Marc! Thanks for the posts! I wanted to say that we take interoperability very seriously. I will look in more detail at the OpenID AX stuff and get back on that (I need to think about namespace and privacy issues), but let me note something in the meantime. Today provide top-to-bottom Atom APIs that let users and developers export their data if they want. Here's a post that talks about our APIs and why they're *really* top to bottom. :) http://developer.ning.com/2007/07/07/one_small_rest_call_for_man2c_one_giant_api_for_mankind/ As an example of this in action, consider this: http://developer.ning.com/2007/04/29/how_to_add_foaf_feeds_to_your_social_network/ which is a FOAF export done entirely in PHP without any special platform features. That post includes links to the sources that provide access to the data. Thanks again! d Hi Marc!

Thanks for the posts! I wanted to say that we take interoperability very seriously. I will look in more detail at the OpenID AX stuff and get back on that (I need to think about namespace and privacy issues), but let me note something in the meantime.

Today provide top-to-bottom Atom APIs that let users and developers export their data if they want. Here’s a post that talks about our APIs and why they’re *really* top to bottom. :)

http://developer.ning.com/2007/07/07/one_small_rest_call_for_man2c_one_giant_api_for_mankind/

As an example of this in action, consider this: http://developer.ning.com/2007/04/29/how_to_add_foaf_feeds_to_your_social_network/ which is a FOAF export done entirely in PHP without any special platform features. That post includes links to the sources that provide access to the data.

Thanks again!

d

]]> By: P-Air http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241970 P-Air Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:07:39 +0000 http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/07/open-letter-to-marc-andressen-gina-bianchini-and-diego-doval#comment-241970 I wish more of the companies in the space tried to understand how important the OpenID2 Attribute Exchange really is and what it's holding up. A large computer company who is a client to a company I'm involved with is deploying a significant community forum area. As part of this deployment, they want to integrate 6 or 7 different vendor apps and need these to have a traveling profile so that end-users cam move seemlessly between these apps w/o having to login each time. They're starting with three of these apps including a white-label social networking platform being branded to the client, a discussion forums provider to enable reviews to take place, and a CRM system that will track and offer user info on their rewards/loyalty points balance as users move through the apps and perform various activities. Each of these platforms handles logging in differently. Fortunately, one of these is more open than the others and is dealing w/the tough task of normalizing the login function, but it's been a frustrating exercise. Especially frustrating has been how unyielding one of the providers has been about making this an easy task. Fortunately, the client is significant enough that they have been able to force the issue, but it just seems like it should never have been this hard. Considering that this client is simply doing something that many other companies will want to do as well, it highlights the importance of OpenID2, and how not having this is truly holding up the pace of innovation in ways that most people don't seem to imagine. I wish more of the companies in the space tried to understand how important the OpenID2 Attribute Exchange really is and what it’s holding up. A large computer company who is a client to a company I’m involved with is deploying a significant community forum area. As part of this deployment, they want to integrate 6 or 7 different vendor apps and need these to have a traveling profile so that end-users cam move seemlessly between these apps w/o having to login each time. They’re starting with three of these apps including a white-label social networking platform being branded to the client, a discussion forums provider to enable reviews to take place, and a CRM system that will track and offer user info on their rewards/loyalty points balance as users move through the apps and perform various activities. Each of these platforms handles logging in differently. Fortunately, one of these is more open than the others and is dealing w/the tough task of normalizing the login function, but it’s been a frustrating exercise. Especially frustrating has been how unyielding one of the providers has been about making this an easy task.

Fortunately, the client is significant enough that they have been able to force the issue, but it just seems like it should never have been this hard. Considering that this client is simply doing something that many other companies will want to do as well, it highlights the importance of OpenID2, and how not having this is truly holding up the pace of innovation in ways that most people don’t seem to imagine.

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