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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Open Letter to Marc Andressen, Gina Bianchini and Diego Doval</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/06/were-getting-there#comment-241961</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Open Letter to Marc Andressen, Gina Bianchini and Diego Doval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When Dave Winer proposed &#8220;opening up social networks” I responded with some ideas of my own and a list of pending standards that could help to coalesce our disparate efforts and goals. Others [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When Dave Winer proposed &#8220;opening up social networks” I responded with some ideas of my own and a list of pending standards that could help to coalesce our disparate efforts and goals. Others [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Kearns</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/06/were-getting-there#comment-241749</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kearns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so I'm jealous!

You just better invite all of us to a ginourmous fish-fry when you get back....

:)ave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so I&#8217;m jealous!</p>
<p>You just better invite all of us to a ginourmous fish-fry when you get back&#8230;.</p>
<p>:)ave</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Canter</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/06/were-getting-there#comment-241738</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Canter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Pierre - but from an architectural point of view, its crucial to have the option to call relationships anything - if need be.

Come on Pierre, don' get all intellectual on us.! Dave can do (and will do) whatever he wants to do.  So will Auren Hoffman, Reid Hoffman and any other Hoffmans, including Abbey Hoffman.  Connections is a good way to think of it, but so are paths, arcs and links.

When it comes to classifying humans, you not only have the top-down versus bottom up taxonomy/folksonomy debate, but you also have a rich ecosystem of entrepreneurs, vendors and users.

Lord knows they ALL think they know what they're doing and what's best for them and their constituents.  Reminds me of Barak versus Hillary versus John and Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Pierre - but from an architectural point of view, its crucial to have the option to call relationships anything - if need be.</p>
<p>Come on Pierre, don&#8217; get all intellectual on us.! Dave can do (and will do) whatever he wants to do.  So will Auren Hoffman, Reid Hoffman and any other Hoffmans, including Abbey Hoffman.  Connections is a good way to think of it, but so are paths, arcs and links.</p>
<p>When it comes to classifying humans, you not only have the top-down versus bottom up taxonomy/folksonomy debate, but you also have a rich ecosystem of entrepreneurs, vendors and users.</p>
<p>Lord knows they ALL think they know what they&#8217;re doing and what&#8217;s best for them and their constituents.  Reminds me of Barak versus Hillary versus John and Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: P-Air</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/06/were-getting-there#comment-241737</link>
		<dc:creator>P-Air</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why do relationships have to be named at all.  What I mean to say is that indeed social networks bastardized the concept of friendship.  The fact is that most people we "friend" really are connections of some sort or another w/degrees of connectivity (ie. low connectivity = acquaintance, high connectivity = family, etc...).  I'd almost rather see us calling everyone connections where under privacy controls you could enter a number 1 thru 10 for the degree of connectivity (1 = low...,10 = high) a person has to you.  Every connection would be defaulted at "5" unless the person connecting to changed it.  Those you connect to wouldn't know what degree you assigned to them, nor would you know what degree they assigned you.  Then you can publish your connections w/o offending any one since they simply appear as connections.  On the back-end, specific activities or information can be displayed for connections of certain degrees (ie. only show my party pics to connections w/degrees 7 or higher).  

My guess however, is that while Dave wants to define the relationships deeply, most users won't bother and would simply prefer to move w/defaults.  Part of this is the complexity that comes w/such granular classification which can get infinitely complex and becomes nearly useless (ie. friend, business associate, previous business associate, neighbor, former neighbor, classmate, college classmate, high school classmate, step-mother, father-in-law, my wife's previous mother-in-law, adopted son, etc...).  The complexity would make these classifications nearly useless for getting anything meaningful accomplished (ie. let all friends, college classmates, highschool classmates and wife see pics fm New Year's party...oy-vey).   Actually, for every one I'm connected to there are things I might want to share w/them that I wouldn't share w/any one else.  For everything I place on my profile or DLA, would I then need to move through my 50 or 300 contacts and say who can see what?  IMHO keeping an abstract term such as "connections" solves the problem of defining the relationship by purposefully not defining it, and degree controls allow users to manage this as they wish, plus having an easy math conventions (ie. , =, between, etc...) for what to display to people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why do relationships have to be named at all.  What I mean to say is that indeed social networks bastardized the concept of friendship.  The fact is that most people we &#8220;friend&#8221; really are connections of some sort or another w/degrees of connectivity (ie. low connectivity = acquaintance, high connectivity = family, etc&#8230;).  I&#8217;d almost rather see us calling everyone connections where under privacy controls you could enter a number 1 thru 10 for the degree of connectivity (1 = low&#8230;,10 = high) a person has to you.  Every connection would be defaulted at &#8220;5&#8243; unless the person connecting to changed it.  Those you connect to wouldn&#8217;t know what degree you assigned to them, nor would you know what degree they assigned you.  Then you can publish your connections w/o offending any one since they simply appear as connections.  On the back-end, specific activities or information can be displayed for connections of certain degrees (ie. only show my party pics to connections w/degrees 7 or higher).  </p>
<p>My guess however, is that while Dave wants to define the relationships deeply, most users won&#8217;t bother and would simply prefer to move w/defaults.  Part of this is the complexity that comes w/such granular classification which can get infinitely complex and becomes nearly useless (ie. friend, business associate, previous business associate, neighbor, former neighbor, classmate, college classmate, high school classmate, step-mother, father-in-law, my wife&#8217;s previous mother-in-law, adopted son, etc&#8230;).  The complexity would make these classifications nearly useless for getting anything meaningful accomplished (ie. let all friends, college classmates, highschool classmates and wife see pics fm New Year&#8217;s party&#8230;oy-vey).   Actually, for every one I&#8217;m connected to there are things I might want to share w/them that I wouldn&#8217;t share w/any one else.  For everything I place on my profile or DLA, would I then need to move through my 50 or 300 contacts and say who can see what?  IMHO keeping an abstract term such as &#8220;connections&#8221; solves the problem of defining the relationship by purposefully not defining it, and degree controls allow users to manage this as they wish, plus having an easy math conventions (ie. , =, between, etc&#8230;) for what to display to people.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Coyle</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/06/were-getting-there#comment-241734</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

Thanks for stopping by mycolts.net. As we've just opened up our community for Colts fans, and its going well, but I am struck by the challenge / opportunity we have to "create" a culture. We vacilate between myspace and facebook mentalities (are we too open or too closed?) and I wonder why I should look to either for examples. Underneath it all we want an environment that's fun, safe and attractive for EVERYONE...even though we realize we can't please all the people all the time. I happen to be reading the book "Change or Die" right now...it stresses the idea that culture is established by the first few people in a community. We're at this point and already I see the old Colts Forum people setting the tone. Some of that tone is positive and some is petty and negative. 

I'd love to chat with you sometime about all of this stuff....perhaps we can have the meeting we never got to have in Hollywood?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by mycolts.net. As we&#8217;ve just opened up our community for Colts fans, and its going well, but I am struck by the challenge / opportunity we have to &#8220;create&#8221; a culture. We vacilate between myspace and facebook mentalities (are we too open or too closed?) and I wonder why I should look to either for examples. Underneath it all we want an environment that&#8217;s fun, safe and attractive for EVERYONE&#8230;even though we realize we can&#8217;t please all the people all the time. I happen to be reading the book &#8220;Change or Die&#8221; right now&#8230;it stresses the idea that culture is established by the first few people in a community. We&#8217;re at this point and already I see the old Colts Forum people setting the tone. Some of that tone is positive and some is petty and negative. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to chat with you sometime about all of this stuff&#8230;.perhaps we can have the meeting we never got to have in Hollywood?</p>
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		<title>By: Web Strategy by Jeremiah &#187; Web Strategy Predictions: Facebook, Identity, Social Networks</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/06/were-getting-there#comment-241733</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Strategy by Jeremiah &#187; Web Strategy Predictions: Facebook, Identity, Social Networks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] White Label social networks (the master list I started some time ago) will start to offer ability to share data with other networks. Some will never adopt this as their corporate clients want walled gardens around their brand. Additional thoughts by Marc Canter. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam J. Kovitz</title>
		<link>http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2007/06/were-getting-there#comment-241732</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam J. Kovitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc -

Excellent post.  

I, myself, have been following these trends and agree that there have to be some standards around social (or relationship) networking.

This past month, I wrote about the need to formalize the relationship networking industry in my publication, The National Networker and point to a relatively new group forming, the Relationship Networking Industry Association (RNIA).

The RNIA is working to bring together seven major stakeholder communities to derive a common body of knowledge from which standards (and eventual accreditation) will be formed.

What I like about this group is that they are a non-profit, neutral third-party group.

All my best,

Adam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc -</p>
<p>Excellent post.  </p>
<p>I, myself, have been following these trends and agree that there have to be some standards around social (or relationship) networking.</p>
<p>This past month, I wrote about the need to formalize the relationship networking industry in my publication, The National Networker and point to a relatively new group forming, the Relationship Networking Industry Association (RNIA).</p>
<p>The RNIA is working to bring together seven major stakeholder communities to derive a common body of knowledge from which standards (and eventual accreditation) will be formed.</p>
<p>What I like about this group is that they are a non-profit, neutral third-party group.</p>
<p>All my best,</p>
<p>Adam</p>
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