Where is Cory Doctorow on this ‘Web 2.0′ broo hah hah?
I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that Cory Doctorow is one of the leading critics of DRMs, DMCA, copyright laws and the status quo - which often pits lawyers vs us. He’s worked for the EFF for years and helped found the #1 blog - Boing Boing.
But he’s also a close buddy of Tim O’Reilly and Rael Dornfest and helps create the Etech conference every year - which is the cornerstone of the O’Reilly Web 2.0 empire.
So I’ve gone be back and scanned BoingBoing over the last 36 hours - and guess what?
I can’t find a statement from Cory on his good buddy Tim - suing Tom Raftery - who is now MY good buddy, since I did a podcast with him, met him in Dublin at a Web 2.0 event and will be going to Cork - in November to speak.
I take shit like this personally.
So this is a public all out to Cory “hey Cory - wassup dude? Which side are you on?”
Many people are interested in the outcome of this little broo hah hah. It would be too bad is O’Reilly thinks they own that term. Even friends of Tim are speaking out.
BTW This fight is dedicated to Enrique Raftery - who was born THIS TUESDAY! Just as the Irish people had to fight the Brits for their rights to exist, so will we be fighting for Enrique’s dad’s rights.
Like I said - I just wonder where Cory comes out on all this? How can you be a leader in this world and NOT speak out against O’Reilly?
And while we’re at it - I’d like to know how Joi Ito feels about all this - as well.
boingboing is now MSM?
O’Reilly reguarly advertises on boingboing.
I guess no-one wants to be struck off the guest list for thiose immensly expensive O’Reilly conferences and camps.
boingboing is now MSM?
O’Reilly reguarly advertises on boingboing.
I guess no-one wants to be struck off the guest list for thiose immensly expensive O’Reilly conferences and camps.
boingboing is now MSM?
O’Reilly reguarly advertises on boingboing.
I guess no-one wants to be struck off the guest list for thiose immensly expensive O’Reilly conferences and camps.
It’s not really that complicated.
O’Reilly is and always was a business, and it acts like one.
Guy Kawasaki may be on to something with his Top Ten Lies Of… series.
How about the Top Ten Lies of the Tech Industry.
Here’s number one.
1. Web 2.0 is for everyone.
It’s not really that complicated.
O’Reilly is and always was a business, and it acts like one.
Guy Kawasaki may be on to something with his Top Ten Lies Of… series.
How about the Top Ten Lies of the Tech Industry.
Here’s number one.
1. Web 2.0 is for everyone.
It’s not really that complicated.
O’Reilly is and always was a business, and it acts like one.
Guy Kawasaki may be on to something with his Top Ten Lies Of… series.
How about the Top Ten Lies of the Tech Industry.
Here’s number one.
1. Web 2.0 is for everyone.
Perhaps it’s not on BoingBoing because it’s already been blown miles out of proportion.
Company trademarks a term in connection with its business. Another company then attempts to use that trademark in the same context. Company gets cross with this, issues legal letter. Yet read the - frankly hysterical - comments around the net today and you’d think that O’Reilly personally ate someone’s first born.
O’Reilly haven’t sued anyone. Neither, for that matter, have CMP. Marc, you’re smart enough to know the difference between a cease and desist letter and a law suit.
Perhaps it’s not on BoingBoing because it’s already been blown miles out of proportion.
Company trademarks a term in connection with its business. Another company then attempts to use that trademark in the same context. Company gets cross with this, issues legal letter. Yet read the - frankly hysterical - comments around the net today and you’d think that O’Reilly personally ate someone’s first born.
O’Reilly haven’t sued anyone. Neither, for that matter, have CMP. Marc, you’re smart enough to know the difference between a cease and desist letter and a law suit.
Perhaps it’s not on BoingBoing because it’s already been blown miles out of proportion.
Company trademarks a term in connection with its business. Another company then attempts to use that trademark in the same context. Company gets cross with this, issues legal letter. Yet read the - frankly hysterical - comments around the net today and you’d think that O’Reilly personally ate someone’s first born.
O’Reilly haven’t sued anyone. Neither, for that matter, have CMP. Marc, you’re smart enough to know the difference between a cease and desist letter and a law suit.
a little umm… divisive aren’t you? perhaps he just doesn’t give a shit either way… just my 2c ;p i mean seriously… weren’t we just dissing the term?
a little umm… divisive aren’t you? perhaps he just doesn’t give a shit either way… just my 2c ;p i mean seriously… weren’t we just dissing the term?
a little umm… divisive aren’t you? perhaps he just doesn’t give a shit either way… just my 2c ;p i mean seriously… weren’t we just dissing the term?
So Cory has a minor conflict of interest, big deal. I think everyone can agree that the community wants a peaceable outcome to this whole fiasco that everyone is satisfied with. Tim is on vacation, and he will, no doubt, make a rational, well-reasoned statement when he returns, as he always does. In the meantime, shame on you Marc for trying to drag random people into this who haven’t done anything wrong and who’d probably just prefer to let it blow over. It’s not Cory’s problem, and it absolutely should not be his responsibility to make a comment. Don’t make this issue more difficult for those involved than it already is.
O’Reilly is not a bunch of bad guys, they clearly just have a few people in their ranks who don’t know any better. Frankly, it sounded to me like Sara’s statement was meant to stall for time until Tim could return, and I’m totally OK with that.
So Cory has a minor conflict of interest, big deal. I think everyone can agree that the community wants a peaceable outcome to this whole fiasco that everyone is satisfied with. Tim is on vacation, and he will, no doubt, make a rational, well-reasoned statement when he returns, as he always does. In the meantime, shame on you Marc for trying to drag random people into this who haven’t done anything wrong and who’d probably just prefer to let it blow over. It’s not Cory’s problem, and it absolutely should not be his responsibility to make a comment. Don’t make this issue more difficult for those involved than it already is.
O’Reilly is not a bunch of bad guys, they clearly just have a few people in their ranks who don’t know any better. Frankly, it sounded to me like Sara’s statement was meant to stall for time until Tim could return, and I’m totally OK with that.
So Cory has a minor conflict of interest, big deal. I think everyone can agree that the community wants a peaceable outcome to this whole fiasco that everyone is satisfied with. Tim is on vacation, and he will, no doubt, make a rational, well-reasoned statement when he returns, as he always does. In the meantime, shame on you Marc for trying to drag random people into this who haven’t done anything wrong and who’d probably just prefer to let it blow over. It’s not Cory’s problem, and it absolutely should not be his responsibility to make a comment. Don’t make this issue more difficult for those involved than it already is.
O’Reilly is not a bunch of bad guys, they clearly just have a few people in their ranks who don’t know any better. Frankly, it sounded to me like Sara’s statement was meant to stall for time until Tim could return, and I’m totally OK with that.
Marc - thanks for the support and for dedicating this to my already very vocal son!
Marc - thanks for the support and for dedicating this to my already very vocal son!
Marc - thanks for the support and for dedicating this to my already very vocal son!
O’Reilly authors come to the aid of Mr Tim, the landlord of us all.
O’Reilly authors come to the aid of Mr Tim, the landlord of us all.
O’Reilly authors come to the aid of Mr Tim, the landlord of us all.
Time to move way the fuck on and leave these guys in the dust. I’m not talking about Web 3.0, not even Web 5.0. I’m talking about Web 11.0: mine goes to 11.
-Don
Time to move way the fuck on and leave these guys in the dust. I’m not talking about Web 3.0, not even Web 5.0. I’m talking about Web 11.0: mine goes to 11.
-Don
Time to move way the fuck on and leave these guys in the dust. I’m not talking about Web 3.0, not even Web 5.0. I’m talking about Web 11.0: mine goes to 11.
-Don
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/26/can_anyone_own_web_2.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/26/can_anyone_own_web_2.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/26/can_anyone_own_web_2.html
Just to add something: do you think that calling people out and demanding that they condemn their friends for a mistake they made is a good thing to do?
Incidentally, Cory has a well-thought through and reasoned response at http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/26/can_anyone_own_web_2.html. If only a few other people on the web had bothered to engage the same level of thought before posting, perhaps there would have been a little less of a witch hunt.
Just to add something: do you think that calling people out and demanding that they condemn their friends for a mistake they made is a good thing to do?
Incidentally, Cory has a well-thought through and reasoned response at http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/26/can_anyone_own_web_2.html. If only a few other people on the web had bothered to engage the same level of thought before posting, perhaps there would have been a little less of a witch hunt.
Just to add something: do you think that calling people out and demanding that they condemn their friends for a mistake they made is a good thing to do?
Incidentally, Cory has a well-thought through and reasoned response at http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/26/can_anyone_own_web_2.html. If only a few other people on the web had bothered to engage the same level of thought before posting, perhaps there would have been a little less of a witch hunt.
Let my people call your people and they will negotiate. It looks as though neither Tim nor Sara Winge, VP of Corporate Communications, had any part in the “cease and desist” letter. These things will happen when you outsource your legal department.
Where did all the funky-business, marketing-is-a-conversation, cluetrain spirit go ? Hello corporate process.
Let my people call your people and they will negotiate. It looks as though neither Tim nor Sara Winge, VP of Corporate Communications, had any part in the “cease and desist” letter. These things will happen when you outsource your legal department.
Where did all the funky-business, marketing-is-a-conversation, cluetrain spirit go ? Hello corporate process.
Let my people call your people and they will negotiate. It looks as though neither Tim nor Sara Winge, VP of Corporate Communications, had any part in the “cease and desist” letter. These things will happen when you outsource your legal department.
Where did all the funky-business, marketing-is-a-conversation, cluetrain spirit go ? Hello corporate process.
Cory is a leader? It staggers me that anyone could take Boingboing seriously in any way. Read any post on it and behold the self-regard, the hypocrisy, the faux populism, and the libertinism of Cory, Xeni, and friends. Consider how they blend fashionable, ‘radical’ left-wing politics with their love of Hollywood and the values of the Sandhill Road billionaires. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that their lip service to free speech is only as deep as their commitment to their billionaire pals, because at the end of the day, they’re part of this greedy, obnoxious clique. (They probably vote Republican, they’re so hypocritical.)
Boingboing have all these fools just foaming at the mouth, begging them to put them on the cyber map. But BB are selective, real selective. If it doesn’t fit their little political POV, then, no chance. Get out of here. This is our party and we only invite the ones who are going to make us more entrenched in our elitism.
So, consider that you cannot leave a comment on Boingboing. Think about it. How democratic is that? It affords them a risk-free platform to pontificate before an audience of politically clueless, unquestioning geeks who just want to get linked back from them. And they power on from bad to worse: they seem to believe that anyone people find his absurd science fiction efforts or her lesbian art fantasies, important.
These people are far more obnoxious than O Reilly, despite his ridiculous antics last week.
Cory is a leader? It staggers me that anyone could take Boingboing seriously in any way. Read any post on it and behold the self-regard, the hypocrisy, the faux populism, and the libertinism of Cory, Xeni, and friends. Consider how they blend fashionable, ‘radical’ left-wing politics with their love of Hollywood and the values of the Sandhill Road billionaires. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that their lip service to free speech is only as deep as their commitment to their billionaire pals, because at the end of the day, they’re part of this greedy, obnoxious clique. (They probably vote Republican, they’re so hypocritical.)
Boingboing have all these fools just foaming at the mouth, begging them to put them on the cyber map. But BB are selective, real selective. If it doesn’t fit their little political POV, then, no chance. Get out of here. This is our party and we only invite the ones who are going to make us more entrenched in our elitism.
So, consider that you cannot leave a comment on Boingboing. Think about it. How democratic is that? It affords them a risk-free platform to pontificate before an audience of politically clueless, unquestioning geeks who just want to get linked back from them. And they power on from bad to worse: they seem to believe that anyone people find his absurd science fiction efforts or her lesbian art fantasies, important.
These people are far more obnoxious than O Reilly, despite his ridiculous antics last week.
Cory is a leader? It staggers me that anyone could take Boingboing seriously in any way. Read any post on it and behold the self-regard, the hypocrisy, the faux populism, and the libertinism of Cory, Xeni, and friends. Consider how they blend fashionable, ‘radical’ left-wing politics with their love of Hollywood and the values of the Sandhill Road billionaires. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that their lip service to free speech is only as deep as their commitment to their billionaire pals, because at the end of the day, they’re part of this greedy, obnoxious clique. (They probably vote Republican, they’re so hypocritical.)
Boingboing have all these fools just foaming at the mouth, begging them to put them on the cyber map. But BB are selective, real selective. If it doesn’t fit their little political POV, then, no chance. Get out of here. This is our party and we only invite the ones who are going to make us more entrenched in our elitism.
So, consider that you cannot leave a comment on Boingboing. Think about it. How democratic is that? It affords them a risk-free platform to pontificate before an audience of politically clueless, unquestioning geeks who just want to get linked back from them. And they power on from bad to worse: they seem to believe that anyone people find his absurd science fiction efforts or her lesbian art fantasies, important.
These people are far more obnoxious than O Reilly, despite his ridiculous antics last week.
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